The Rhetoric of Openness by Dave White

00:12 - James Clay Gloucestershire College 
Here is the news with David White.... 

01:07 - James Clay Gloucestershire College 
:) 

01:41 - Lisa Vincent 
#nstalks if you're tweeting about this session :) 

03:40 - Steve Boneham 
They might be if they watch it later 

03:51 - James Clay Gloucestershire College 
at 3am in the morning 

06:43 - FrancesBell 1 
Open content - warm and fluffy - or - tool for domination ;) 

07:18 - FrancesBell 1 
soz1 

07:20 - Steve Boneham 
There will be no more chat ;-) 

07:21 - FrancesBell 1 
soz! 

07:37 - wmjohn 1 
LOL :-) 

07:58 - James Clay Gloucestershire College 
iTunes U is for me an example of how institutions talk about open content, but in reality is marketing. Or are there other reasons to use iTunes U? 

08:37 - Bryan Glass 
Mainstream academia needs to get more involved with online open education.  It will take away from the marketing machines of the online universities that have dominated this medium. 

08:48 - Pat Lockley 
Anyone see the register story about Kindle Epubs yesterday? It's an open platform and it's now full of spam books. 

08:50 - andy lancaster Truro penwith college 
how can we square 'public good' with the financial implications that 'the knowledge economy' assumes? 

08:50 - wmjohn 1 
sad to see how Marketting deps see ITunes U as place for their stuff .... 

09:01 - AJ Cann 
@Jamnes "Institutions" don;'t produce content, individuals do. 

09:32 - James Clay Gloucestershire College 
@AJCann but institutions distribute content 

09:34 - FrancesBell 1 
yes @ajcann - but do they 'get' that? 

09:37 - Pat Lockley 
@aj - all of the OU's open learning is attributed to the organisation only 

09:58 - AJ Cann 
@Frances - no, they don't. 

10:18 - AJ Cann 
@Pat true, OU is and has always been an outlier. 

10:23 - James Clay Gloucestershire College 
Kindle spam problem http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/17/amazon-kindle-spam-direct-publishing-ebooks_n_878946.html 

10:40 - Pat Lockley 
@aj - such a nice term for the OU ("an outlier") 

10:56 - FrancesBell 1 
@AJCAnn and then they wonder about the flop of teaching content reositories as compared with relative success of research repositories 

10:58 - AJ Cann 
@Pat I can think of others ;-) 

11:07 - James Clay Gloucestershire College 
You can't submit content to iTunes U if you are an individual, you can only do it as an institution. 

11:19 - Pat Lockley 
@aj so who is the most outlierist? ;) 

11:34 - AJ Cann 
@Frances Ask Chris Taylor about that! 

11:37 - Pat Lockley 
@jamesclay - or you are Mr Khan of the Khan Academy 

12:39 - AJ Cann 
Is the Kahn Academy "open"? 

12:39 - wmjohn 1 
Individuals produce, institutional marketers appropriate, publish and celebrate ... 

12:44 - Will Allen (JISC Netskills) 
http://openspires.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ 

13:05 - Pat Lockley 
@aj - khan academy is all CC licensed 

13:43 - AJ Cann 
@Pat, yes, but still quite locked down. 

13:58 - Pat Lockley 
the notion that you rely on an institution to release your material is a bit old hat. The guy from Westminster made his youtube channels and won himself a THE award 

14:28 - Pat Lockley 
@aj - it's also crap, but hey, I was merely mocking apple's Itunes policy 

14:46 - Lou McGill 
I use the periodic tales for home ed with my 14 year old... 

14:46 - AJ Cann 
Shall we ask him questions about Mn? :-) 

14:47 - Bryan Glass 
overproduction is offputting. 

14:49 - Bryan Glass 
agreed 

15:27 - Lisa Vincent 
:d 

15:30 - AJ Cann 
Impressed! 

15:30 - Lisa Vincent 
:) 

15:33 - Bryan Glass 
smart people look for content, not slick audio and video clips 

15:44 - Pat Lockley 
He is Stephen Poliakoff's brother 

15:52 - James Clay Gloucestershire College 
One of the issues with individuals is within many institutions they don't "own" the content and therefore can't submit it to repositories or similar open stores. 

16:09 - Pat Lockley 
but they could make content outside of work? 

16:37 - Nigel 
I think that is the crucial question 

16:54 - Steve Boneham 
@Pat - The westminster stuff you mentioned was Russell Stannard screencasts? http://www.teachertrainingvideos.com/ 

16:59 - Nigel 
How much is all the open content actually used? 

17:03 - AJ Cann 
@Pat According to JISCLegal, institution stilol owns relevant content produced "outside of work". 

17:15 - Dan McC JISC RSC SW 1 
Usually if they're on an academic contract there will be some element of IRP which defaults to their employing institution whenever they create it. 

17:16 - Pat Lockley 
@steve b - yes I knew he had Russell in his name 

17:22 - Dan McC JISC RSC SW 1 
IPR Sorry! 

17:38 - Dan McC JISC RSC SW 1 
So yes, JISC Legal position sounds correct. 

17:45 - AJ Cann 
Freemium model of education. 

17:52 - Pat Lockley 
@aj depends on what you make, my institution doesn't own any of my code i've done in my own time 

18:11 - James Clay Gloucestershire College 
@ajcann if that content is produced for the instittuion outside of work then it is still owned by the institution 

18:31 - Lou McGill 
as institutions become more aware of oer and openess they are more likely to take intyerest in what indiv academics do. that ability to produce as indivisuals may undergo more scrutiny... 

18:41 - James Clay Gloucestershire College 
The difference is if I produce content for myself or for my networks, I own it 

18:50 - wmjohn 1 
what does "outside of work" mean ....... ask a teacer? 

18:55 - wmjohn 1 
teacher.. 

19:06 - James Clay Gloucestershire College 
If I create content for a course I teach on, regardless of where I produce it, then those materials are owned by the employer (institution). 

19:12 - AJ Cann 
@Lou - I feel a disguise coming on - The OER Ranger - hi ho silver! 

19:36 - James Clay Gloucestershire College 
We've degenerated into an IPR discussion.... 

19:36 - Lou McGill 
@aj cann or the Maverick 

19:51 - Pat Lockley 
the jokoer? 

20:07 - Lou McGill 
should have said maveorick 

20:27 - FrancesBell 1 
I'd be interested to know of any examples of open content broadcasting institutions openly acknowledging their reuse/remix of content from elsewhere (or scholarship as it's known;) 

20:28 - mhawksey 
accrediatation is the expensive bit? 

20:31 - James Clay Gloucestershire College 
@Lou I agree, in the past institutions didn't worry about what their employees did, however nowdays they are much more aware of the value of materials, even if they submit them as open materials (the marketing value). 

20:31 - Bryan Glass 
You should use openness online to supplement learning at large institutions, not replace it 

20:39 - AJ Cann 
Aleks K says I can have multiple identities. I want an non-work one. 

21:51 - mhawksey 
'Free as in speech, free as in beer, free as in kittens' 

21:53 - andy lancaster Truro penwith college 
The Pearson degree will be almost completely based on digiatl learning materials, and not at all free! 

21:59 - Clifton Kandler 
OER only cheap for those who did not have to produce them in the first place! 

22:04 - Lou McGill 
@james - yes - also even though indivs produced stuff independently in ukoer pilot phase - they also linked to inst repository because it offered management and presevration aspects 

22:10 - FrancesBell 1 
Here is an example of OE uni that stands a little aprat from institutional marketing perspective http://www.peoples-uni.org/ 

22:20 - AJ Cann 
Tragedy of the Commons. 

22:41 - Bryan Glass 
Free content that's produced by non-profit organizations is done for the greater good and produced with donations. 

23:33 - Pat Lockley 
the impact of icebergs? Titanictastic 

25:22 - James Clay Gloucestershire College 
:) 

25:29 - AJ Cann 
Do any institutions sign up to the concept of a waterline? 

25:38 - Pat Lockley 
Dutch ones do? 

25:48 - FrancesBell 1 
(self-plagiarised from a bid) Rearguard action by traditional publishers to ‘rotect’the copyright of their product can leave universities with a significant information management problem that is more likely to happen with closed spaces than with openly published content http://blogs.library.duke.edu/scholcomm/2011/05/13/a-nightmare-scenario-for-higher-education/ 

25:53 - James Clay Gloucestershire College 
Every academic I know infringes copyright on a daily basis. 

26:47 - Bryan Glass 
the copyright laws are ridiculous.  You place something online and then you don't want people to reuse it (Copyright lawyers). 

27:32 - Bryan Glass 
It is too difficult for lecturers to get permission (cost, time, etc.) to prevent copyright infringement. 

27:35 - Lou McGill 
daft split - I use HE/FE content all the time with my sec level son 

28:03 - James Clay Gloucestershire College 
Copyright is a complex and annoying 

28:06 - Bryan Glass 
£00 to reuse a cartoon online 

28:15 - Pat Lockley 
or just build from scratch? 

28:19 - James Clay Gloucestershire College 
Copyright is complex and annoying. 

28:24 - Cordelia Bryan 
Learning Black Market is a useful concept in demonstrating how ridiculous the copyright laws are 

28:34 - Bryan Glass 
absolutely 

28:51 - James Clay Gloucestershire College 
@Bryan so you are saying people who create stuff shouldn't be rewarded for their work? 

28:59 - AJ Cann 
Has Cameron abandoned UK Fair Use again? 

29:03 - Cordelia Bryan 
I like the idea of subversion in Black Market ourcomes :) 

29:16 - Pat Lockley 
@aj Cameron is not using the UK fairly, no 

29:16 - James Clay Gloucestershire College 
Would people work for their instituions for free? 

29:24 - Nigel 
maybe the legal default should be completely free use unless the author specifies limits? Rather than the other way round. 

29:36 - Bryan Glass 
That's changing with Wikipedia 

29:52 - Bryan Glass 
You use it to find the sources. 

30:01 - Bryan Glass 
Then go directly to the sources. 

30:08 - Bryan Glass 
But don't cite Wikipedia. 

30:15 - Bryan Glass 
absolutely 

30:24 - Bryan Glass 
It is a great entry source 

30:33 - Bryan Glass 
gets you interested in a subject 

30:57 - Lou McGill 
wikipedia great for teaching critical review 

30:59 - Bryan Glass 
Then you go to the reliable sources to check the material 

31:11 - AJ Cann 
Citation is not the only problem with Wikipedia, there is also much paranoia. 

31:26 - FrancesBell 1 
Here is a good slide show on how students can use Wikipedia - and 'get away with it' http://www.slideshare.net/brainopera/i-heart-wikipedia?type=powerpoint 

31:30 - Bryan Glass 
Too much paranoia.  But that is subsiding in the US. 

31:33 - James Clay Gloucestershire College 
It's great for info on Star Trek and Battlestar Galactica 

31:44 - Pat Lockley 
at a levels we used to make up fake references because we knew our teacher was dumb. Used to get marks for referencing made up books. 

32:07 - FrancesBell 1 
For me, a digital literacy is being able to distinguish good from bad Wikipedia pages 

32:16 - Dan McC JISC RSC SW 1 
The irony is-Anecdotally, so are the academics. 

32:17 - Bryan Glass 
very true FrancesBell 1 

32:17 - wmjohn 1 
Good students should be suspicious of everything ...... 

32:30 - Dan McC JISC RSC SW 1 
So there's a blatant hypocrisy going on in some instances. 

32:33 - FrancesBell 1 
@Dan McC and why not? 

32:35 - James Clay Gloucestershire College 
Even Jimmy Wales has said that students shouldn't JUST use Wikipedia. 

32:38 - Dan McC JISC RSC SW 1 
I agree, completely. 

32:56 - Bryan Glass 
They should be suspicious, but they need to open enough to take advantage of the material on Wikipedia 

33:10 - Dan McC JISC RSC SW 1 
So why the double standard? If it's a portal to a different range of sources.. 

33:13 - James Clay Gloucestershire College 
Changed it by deed poll 

33:14 - Dan McC JISC RSC SW 1 
Great. 

33:18 - wmjohn 1 
precisely ..... 

33:22 - Dan McC JISC RSC SW 1 
Then ackowledge the conduit to the learning. 

33:22 - Sue Beckingham 
Potential for 'academic' kitemark for entries made by academics? 

33:34 - Pat Lockley 
this was google knol - no one ever used it 

33:56 - Clifton Kandler 
My 12 year old"who needs books when you have google" 

33:56 - Cordelia Bryan 
Agree. I've used one Wikipedia entry for an OER (oh dear, what an admission!) 

33:59 - James Clay Gloucestershire College 
Scary, a member of staff in my college indicated that she didn't want her students to use the library as the books there would confuse them... these were A Level students.... 

34:01 - Bryan Glass 
This is why we need to rethink how we put textbooks together. 

34:06 - wmjohn 1 
who says academic entries are to be trusted? 

34:33 - James Clay Gloucestershire College 
Wikipedia also brings us this http://sco.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page which I think does add value. 

34:33 - Dan McC JISC RSC SW 1 
I have to concede, I'm 3/4's of the way through a Mastersand I've probably taken out 2 books... 

34:42 - Dan McC JISC RSC SW 1 
Don't tell my supervisor though. 

34:46 - Lou McGill 
Librarians have been teaching students to use google and wikipedia properly for years! 

34:47 - marionwaite 
Secondary schools in my experience with a 12 year old are positevely encouraging cutn'paste from the Internet! I think he should be learning about digital literacies alongside this! 

34:50 - Pat Lockley 
@wmjohn1 - quite - no academic is ever wrong. There is research showing 2/3rds of academic repository content has been proven false 

34:54 - James Clay Gloucestershire College 
@Dan you know this is been recorded... ;) 

35:05 - James Clay Gloucestershire College 
Not Bing then? 

35:06 - wmjohn 1 
:-) 

35:13 - Dan McC JISC RSC SW 1 
No worries! It's an MA Ed. in digital education, so I think I'm OK! 

35:38 - Steve Boneham 
Clear collusion there 

36:19 - Pat O'Toole 1 
my 11 year old does all her homework by typing into google, not a book in sight! 

36:51 - AJ Cann 
Google is a trusted brand. Wikipedia +/- 

37:00 - Bryan Glass 
google is a search engine 

37:04 - FrancesBell 1 
My son works for dodgy link-building outfit (SEO) and they love links from ac.uk 

37:09 - wmjohn 1 
My 15 year old did all his GCSE art coursework research in google, no text books, no galleris ...etc.etc. 

37:13 - Bryan Glass 
It's not necessarily a reliable source. 

37:26 - Clifton Kandler 
We make sure he references correctly. His School does not! 

37:34 - wmjohn 1 
BUT his techer never asked for references .... 

37:39 - wmjohn 1 
teacher ... 

37:41 - Steve Boneham 
@AJ - interesting idea. Most google searches I do give wikipedia in top few hits, so recommended referral? 

37:42 - AJ Cann 
That's not plagiarism, that's citation failure. 

37:42 - Bryan Glass 
YOu still need to go to the sources.  Get in the library to see if what you find on google is reliable 

37:50 - wmjohn 1 
I can type / honest 

38:20 - wmjohn 1 
like tat phrase "citation failure" 

38:31 - AJ Cann 
@Steve - Google filter bubble, see: http://recycled-newz.blogspot.com/2011/06/duck-duck-go-different-search-engine.html 

39:03 - Pat Lockley 
duck duck go is really cool - anyone been on google images today? 

39:12 - Bryan Glass 
If we stop doing research we risk becoming philistines like the people who run our countries. 

39:18 - Cordelia Bryan 
stategic learning? 

39:24 - FrancesBell 1 
Google's search algorithm's are the antithesis of open 

39:30 - Dan McC JISC RSC SW 1 
Which is a problem-Because the extrapolation and synthesis of other peoples ideas is critical to higher level learning, right? 

39:37 - FrancesBell 1 
Oops grocer's apostrophe - sorry 

39:38 - Dan McC JISC RSC SW 1 
Or is that contentious? 

40:06 - Cordelia Bryan 
that's why they engage in learning communities in universitie isn't it? 

40:18 - James Clay Gloucestershire College 
I agree with that slide, you can say the same about books. 

40:39 - James Clay Gloucestershire College 
Learners might know how to read a book, but may not know how to use a book for learning. Different skills. 

40:44 - FrancesBell 1 
aptitude? 

40:51 - Dan McC JISC RSC SW 1 
Exactly. 

41:08 - Bryan Glass 
It is our job to teach them how to use books for learning. 

41:30 - Cordelia Bryan 
quite so! 

41:30 - Simon Hardaker 
Looks like an orchard there. 

41:37 - Lou McGill 
do students want to learn - or just get the qualification - the difference between process and putcome 

41:41 - wmjohn 1 
our job to teach them how to learn ...... whatever the media involved ..... 

41:48 - James Clay Gloucestershire College 
We assume learners know how to do these things. We forget that we had to learn how to do it. Most of us I suspect learnt it through trial and error. Those that failed to learn how to learn, failed to learn! 

41:54 - AJ Cann 
Has been abandonded in favour of visitors & residents ;-) 

41:57 - Bryan Glass 
This is why we need to get away from philistinism that's taking over. 

42:28 - Dan McC JISC RSC SW 1 
Even Prensky has redefined Native/Immigrant dichotomy now with a more nebulous "Inter Generational knowledge" 

42:47 - Dan McC JISC RSC SW 1 
and Digital Wisdom! 

42:50 - James Clay Gloucestershire College 
A must read http://tallblog.conted.ox.ac.uk/index.php/2008/07/23/not-natives-immigrants-but-visitors-residents/ 

42:51 - Dan McC JISC RSC SW 1 
DaDA! 

42:54 - FrancesBell 1 
@Simon - you are right there - wonder if that is US 

42:54 - wmjohn 1 
NB NB James Clay Gloucestershire College: We assume learners know how to do these things. We forget that we had to learn how to do it. Most of us I suspect learnt it through trial and error. Those that failed to learn how to learn, failed to learn! 

43:07 - Clifton Kandler 
“reativity and plagiarism have been synonymous since the dawn of recorded civilization”–David Shields Start the Week radio 4 14/2/11 

43:28 - Lou McGill 
dont you have an ironic hat? 

43:42 - AJ Cann 
leet 

43:45 - Max Norton 
honer 

43:45 - Dan McC JISC RSC SW 1 
eMOTICON> 

43:47 - Pat Lockley 
homer simpson 

43:47 - Simon Hardaker 
Homer 

43:48 - James Clay Gloucestershire College 
No idea 

43:48 - Max Norton 
homer 

43:55 - Dan McC JISC RSC SW 1 
Woo, news to me 

44:02 - Gill Outterside 
a queen song 

44:05 - Dan McC JISC RSC SW 1 
Everybody needs somebody to love 

44:06 - Lisa Vincent 
everyonbody needs somebody 

44:08 - Nigel 
everybody needs somebody to love 

44:09 - James Clay Gloucestershire College 
Every body needs somebody to love 

44:11 - Bryan Glass 
Texting is a plague 

44:15 - Pat O'Toole 1 
not a clue 

44:15 - Pat Lockley 
lady gaga 

44:17 - Bryan Glass 
for driving as well as intellect 

44:18 - Max Norton 
santa 

44:19 - Steve Boneham 
You in an ironic hat? 

44:19 - Gillian @ MEDEV 
man with smoking top hat? 

44:22 - Andrew James, SCRAN 
Carmen Miranda 

44:36 - Pat Lockley 
lady gaga then 

44:36 - FrancesBell 1 
Princess Beatrice at Royal weddding 

44:36 - Gillian @ MEDEV 
obviously! 

44:36 - James Clay Gloucestershire College 
??? 

44:39 - Dan McC JISC RSC SW 1 
Oh, obvious when you know 

44:42 - James Clay Gloucestershire College 
I am TOO old 

44:44 - Steve Boneham 
:-) 

44:49 - Gill Outterside 
am too sober 

44:49 - Bryan Glass 
my goodness 

44:49 - Pat Lockley 
if you know.... something 

44:55 - Max Norton 
if you know what i mean and i think you do 

44:56 - FrancesBell 1 
If you know what I mean ?? 

44:58 - Will Allen (JISC Netskills) 
what i mean... 

45:05 - Pat Lockley 
and i think you do 

45:05 - Simon Wood 
adn I think you do 

45:10 - Pat Lockley 
*snap* 

45:16 - Will Allen (JISC Netskills) 
and i think you do 

45:16 - Will Allen (JISC Netskills) 
? 

45:24 - FrancesBell 1 
@Max got it I think 

45:24 - wmjohn 1 
LOL 

45:33 - Rob Englebright 
tsh ... kids eh? 

45:34 - AJ Cann 
Fermat's last theorem? 

45:38 - Pat Lockley 
is that Camerons' pin number? 

45:42 - Max Norton 
amy winehouse? 

45:57 - James Clay Gloucestershire College 
http://tallblog.conted.ox.ac.uk/index.php/2008/07/23/not-natives-immigrants-but-visitors-residents/ 

47:31 - Steve Boneham 
Plus, visitors & residents the movie... http://tallblog.conted.ox.ac.uk/index.php/2009/10/14/visitors-residents-the-video/ 

48:13 - AJ Cann 
I never believed Klout (yes, my score is rubbish because I filter followers like a filtering machine) 

48:33 - James Clay Gloucestershire College 
@AJCAnn what was your score? ;) 

48:53 - AJ Cann 
@James: -14 

49:25 - AJ Cann 
Exactly. You can have a convesation with an institution. 

49:36 - AJ Cann 
Damn. CAN'T 

49:52 - Bryan Glass 
That's why Elluminate is great 

49:52 - mhawksey 
hasn't contact always been important 

49:56 - Bryan Glass 
Great for contact 

50:10 - Bryan Glass 
I've never seen this technology before but it's brilliant 

50:26 - AJ Cann 
I love how everyone believes mu=y online MrAngry persona. 

50:33 - Cordelia Bryan 
Contact & interaction always comes top of student surveys in what they value most 

51:19 - Pat O'Toole 1 
our students have real difficulty/resistance working with the VLE 

51:37 - mhawksey 
@cordelia but students still have expectation of education ie I expect to be lectured at 

51:45 - Cordelia Bryan 
Yes, this is common and not just amongst performing Arts students 

51:51 - FrancesBell 1 
Giving and receiving online (manageable reciprocity) is important talent to achieve for learners 

51:57 - Bryan Glass 
But talking at them is not as effective as talking with them 

52:07 - Bryan Glass 
You can lecture while engaging 

52:08 - Pat O'Toole 1 
agreed 

52:23 - mhawksey 
@Bryan don't go there ;) 

52:27 - Cordelia Bryan 
If you take a co-learning approach - yes! 

52:43 - Rob Englebright 
classy 

52:45 - timjohnson 
lol 

53:07 - Pat Lockley 
is this picture CC licensed? 

53:09 - Pat Lockley 
uh-oh 

53:13 - Bryan Glass 
exactly 

53:31 - Pat Lockley 
sexism I can tolerate, but copyright infrigement tut tut 

53:32 - Dan McC JISC RSC SW 1 
The good stuff 

53:45 - Gillian @ MEDEV 
@Pat LOL! 

53:50 - Helen Keegan 
This has been superb, but now i have to go to a meeting :( 

53:57 - Helen Keegan 
Thanks Dave! 

53:58 - Steve Boneham 
@Pat (credits on last slide... think it's Dave's own photo from his bookshelf) 

54:03 - FrancesBell 1 
Bye Helen 

54:04 - Simon Hardaker 
The Butler and the Debutante - My Man Godfrey.....tremendous!!! 

54:06 - wmjohn 1 
Anyone read any of those classic novels? ..... #justasking 

54:15 - Pat Lockley 
Dave's own collection ;) I getcha 

54:24 - Nigel 
no but i am going to look them up! :) 

54:34 - Bryan Glass 
hear hear, Dave 

55:14 - AJ Cann 
"Communications tools don't get socially interesting until they get technologically boring,"  Clay Shirky 

55:18 - Gillian @ MEDEV 
well done :) 

55:24 - Lisa Vincent 
:) 

55:40 - Cordelia Bryan 
QA = 50 still on. I like that! 

55:44 - Nigel 
Have to go - have another meeting - thanks 

55:48 - Bryan Glass 
Thank you.  This was very interesting. 

55:48 - Lisa Vincent 
Next #nstalks seminar: Monday 27th June, 1-2pm 
Supporting Researcher Engagement With Social Tools - Alan Cann, University of Leicester, more information & pre-registration form: http://bit.ly/j0ws6e 

55:52 - timjohnson 
thanks Dave 

55:57 - Max Norton 
thanks David 

55:58 - Rochelle Gunter University of Manchester 
Thanks! 

56:03 - Pat O'Toole 1 
thank you 

56:05 - Pat Lockley 
Merci 

56:13 - Sue Beckingham 
great, thanks Dave 

56:16 - Simon Wood 
Brilliant, thanks Dave 

56:17 - Ian Holt (South Staffordshire College) 
Thanks 

56:18 - Helen Blanchett 
Thanks - really interesting session & discussion 

56:21 - Ngs 
Thanks 

56:26 - Simon Hardaker 
Cheers Dave 

56:30 - Cordelia Bryan 
Thanks. 

56:35 - Gillian @ MEDEV 
I need to go - thanks muchly, Dave & Netskills.  Bye everyone! 

56:44 - FrancesBell 1 
If you are coming to ALT-C be sure to come our symposium critiquing openness http://francesbell.wordpress.com/2011/06/16/the-paradox-of-openness-the-high-costs-of-giving-online/ 

56:55 - Pat Lockley 
Do you think that the problem is waiting for institutions? 

57:07 - Pat Lockley 
Why not act as individuals? 

57:44 - Dan McC JISC RSC SW 1 
But there are issues there about content ownership. And i'm not sure there's much clarity on that yet! 

57:44 - Bryan Glass 
At The British Scholar Society we have acted as individuals outside of the restrictions imposed by institutions. 

58:04 - Bryan Glass 
Especially in terms of content 

58:11 - timjohnson 
Do you thik lecturers are anxious about using technology because the institution does not appear to support it? 

58:22 - Bryan Glass 
That happens a lot 

58:25 - mhawksey 
@Dan I think clarity is there if you work for an inst it not yours ;) 

58:26 - Pat Lockley 
thank you 

58:42 - Dan McC JISC RSC SW 1 
Yes, true Martin. 

59:00 - Rob Englebright 
engenius? 

59:35 - wmjohn 1 
An aside ..Hmmmm I see My Man Godfry was made into a film .... 

59:58 - Matt Forshaw (Newcastle University) 
Thanks David. 

1:00:22 - Bryan Glass 
Thank you so much, David. 

1:00:24 - Clifton Kandler 
Thanks 

1:00:27 - AJ Cann 
Thanks dave. 

1:00:28 - Dan McC JISC RSC SW 1 
Many thanks David. 

1:00:31 - Gill 
Thanks very much 

1:00:33 - Lisa Vincent 
Next #nstalks seminar: Monday 27th June, 1-2pm 
Supporting Researcher Engagement With Social Tools - Alan Cann, University of Leicester, more information & pre-registration form: http://bit.ly/j0ws6e 

1:00:34 - Rob Englebright 
best lunchtime for a while, thanks Dave 

1:00:34 - Steve Boneham 
Next online seminar: Supporting Researcher Engagement With Social Tools - Alan Cann (@ajcann), University of Leicester: http://bit.ly/j0ws6e (27th June, 1-2pm) 

1:00:39 - AJ Cann 
:-) 

1:00:40 - FrancesBell 1 
Bye and thanks ! 

1:00:40 - mhawksey 
thanks David 

1:00:44 - Pat Lockley 
thanks all 

1:00:47 - timjohnson 
supa Dave 

1:00:48 - Lou McGill 
thanks dave - great stuff 

1:00:55 - wmjohn 1 
Thankyou Dave ..... 

1:00:56 - Heli Nurmi Finland 
thanks 

1:01:08 - David White 
Thanks for listening 

1:01:13 - Lisa Vincent 
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1:01:15 - David White 
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